Leadership Team

R. Scott Webber

Chief Executive Officer/Owner

303.893.3200

Scott.Webber@SothebysRealty.com

Scott Webber is the President of LIV Sotheby’s International Realty, Sierra Sotheby’s International Realty and the CEO of Majestic Realty, its parent company. The firm established an office in 2018 in Ventura, California. LIV Sotheby’s International Realty is part of Majestic Realty, together with Summit Sotheby’s International Realty in Park City, Salt Lake City and St. George, Utah, and Sierra Sotheby’s International Realty in Lake Tahoe, California and Nevada, and Reno, Nevada. Majestic Realty, with 44 offices and 900 broker and support staff associates, is the largest Sotheby’s International Realty company in the world ranked by closed dollar volume, which in 2018 totaled $7.31 billion.

A third generation, 43-year real estate sales and brokerage management veteran, Scott is responsible for the day to day leadership and operations of the business, and is closely involved in supporting LIV’s team of high producing people on their path towards personal, professional and financial growth and success.

Scott’s history of experience in the luxury, resort, and corporate relocation segments of the residential real estate industry has influenced the growth and focus of the firm. The firm has carefully positioned valuable feeder market connections with similar leading brokerage firms through the unparalleled relationships of three important network affiliations. LIV Sotheby’s International Realty is the exclusive affiliate of the world class Sotheby’s International Realty brand and network in the markets it serves. The talented, experienced people of LIV take great pride in this association and work hard to deliver the power and benefits of these exclusive, unmatched resources and advantages unique to the Sotheby’s International Realty brand and international network of 22,000 brokers, 970 offices in 72 countries. Additionally, LIV Sotheby’s International Realty is the exclusive Board of Regent member of the Who’s Who in Luxury Real Estate and LuxuryRealEstate.com network of 130,000 brokers and nearly 4,000 international luxury brokerage firms in 35 countries. LIV Sotheby’s International Realty is also one of 800-member firms of the Cartus Broker Network, the real estate industry’s leading network of corporate relocation-oriented brokerage firms in the United Sates. LIV is a member of the Employee Relocation Council. LIV’s award winning Corporate Relocation Team services over 2,000 incoming metro Denver and Boulder relocation assignments each year. These long-standing real estate network relationships, together with a substantial infrastructure of marketing, technology and leadership support, help LIV brokers to create significant exposure and to achieve strong, successful results for clients.

Scott’s successful career includes 20 years with Coldwell Banker Real Estate where he built and was President of a 26-office residential and commercial brokerage company, including Coldwell Banker Van Schaack and Company in Denver, and Coldwell Banker Premier Realty in Salt Lake City and Las Vegas. He served as Senior Vice President of NRT, Inc, the largest real estate brokerage company in the industry. He is a past president of the Salt Lake Board of Realtors, and a past director to the National Association of Realtors. He is a graduate of the University of Utah and a member of the Young Presidents Organization. When not working in the business to support his brokers and staff, which is rare, he enjoys time with his family, alpine skiing, golf, Harley Davidson motorcycles, and aviation. He is an instrument-rated private pilot and TBM910 aircraft owner. He and his wife, Andrea, are proud parents and grandparents.


Thomas Wright

Principal/Owner

801.652.5700

Thomas.Wright@SothebysRealty.com

Thomas Wright is president and principal broker of Summit Sotheby’s International Realty and co-owner owner of Majestic Realty, which owns and operates LIV Sotheby’s International Realty, Sierra Sotheby’s International Realty and Summit Sotheby’s International Realty. Since stepping in as the managing partner of Summit Sotheby’s, the company has become the top brokerage in the Park City resort community and a leading brokerage in Utah. Summit Sotheby’s International Realty’s gross yearly sales volume has grown from a healthy $135 million in 2008 to $2 billion in 2018.

To achieve this market position, Thomas has brought his relentless work ethic, creative thinking and vision, and an invaluable understanding of the real estate brokerage industry. While he demands a lot from his agents and employees, Thomas is very quick to credit the success of Summit Sotheby’s International Realty to his incredibly talented team of approximately 200 sales associates in 13 offices statewide, incomparable administrative staff of about 50 talented individuals, and the support of the remarkable Sotheby’s International Realty brand.

Thomas also believes that a less obvious aspect of the company’s success comes from their unique take on the definition of luxury. To quote Thomas, “It’s not about a price point, it is about providing every client with an exceptional customer service experience”. The impressive success story of Summit Sotheby’s International Realty has caught the attention of the Sotheby’s International Realty network. As a result, Thomas has become a nationally-recognized speaker and advisor. His frequent topics include improving individual agent and brokerage profitability, sales associate recruiting, new development marketing, and brokerage management. These significant achievements and leadership responsibilities have not hindered Thomas from being of service to his clients. He continues to be a top-performing sales agent specializing in Salt Lake County

Born and raised in Utah, Thomas attended Quince Orchard High School in the greater Washington, D.C. area. After graduating, he spent two years in Eastern Europe. When he returned to the States, Thomas’s overseas experience inspired him to learn more about Ukraine and Russia and its culture. He graduated from the University of Utah on a full-ride golf scholarship with dual Bachelor of Arts degrees in both Russian and Marketing. Through his experiences and education, Thomas has grown to appreciate cultural and perspective differences, confirming that good ideas and people come from all walks of life. This is a philosophy he extends to the communities and organizations he now serves, including each of the agents that represent Summit Sotheby’s International Realty.

A civically-minded person, Thomas is proud to have served in a number of different capacities with several key organizations in his community — United Way of Utah and Dixie State University Board of Trustees. He currently sits on the Board of Trustees of the Utah Symphony/Utah Opera and was appointed in 2017 to the Utah State Board of Regents by Governor Gary Herbert. Thomas is the co-chairman of the Utah Debate Commission and has twice been elected to serve as volunteer chairman of the Utah Republican Party and the Salt Lake County Republican Party. He is currently a member of the Republican National Committee (RNC) where he was elected vice chair by his western region peers.

With all of his responsibilities, Thomas considers the most important to be his family. He currently resides in Salt Lake City with his wife and their four children. His greatest joys are being the resident breakfast chef and attending the many dance recitals and sporting events his kids are a part of, never missing a Friday night football game where his daughters are cheering and dancing. Thomas also enjoys golfing, fishing, traveling the world with his family, and the more recent adventure of being the assistant golf coach at his son’s high school.


Jenny Johnson

President / Managing Broker Reno

775.691.4382

jjohnson@sierrasothebysrealty.com

CA DRE #01944081

NV B.144734

As President and Broker of Sierra Sotheby’s Reno office, Jenny provides her agents with the invaluable knowledge and exceptional leadership skills that one comes to expect from a successful veteran in the field. With her seasoned background in real estate sales and marketing, Jenny developed a true passion to help other realtors succeed and over the years has mentored associates in residential and commercial sales. The native Nevadan has Broker licenses in both California and Nevada since 2006, and prides herself on staying educated in the newest technologies, industry knowledge, and marketing techniques to better serve her team and clients.

Throughout her real estate career, Jenny primarily represented luxury buyers and sellers and brought to her leadership role an impressive track record of hundreds of millions of dollars in real estate sales. She has worked closely with developers and builders and has fostered relationships with a wide variety of professionals; a valuable asset when searching for a vetted and reputable appraiser, contractor, or designer. In order to take a house to market or assist in the complexities of finding a home, Jenny uses all of her connections and faculties to ensure a smooth transition for everyone involved.

With a passion for helping people and an unwavering commitment to excellence, Jenny has positioned herself as a confident and uncompromising leader to her staff, associates, and clients who look to her for her expertise and knowledge.


Monise McCabe

VP Operations & Strategic Growth

775.848.6559

mmccabe@sierrasothebysrealty.com

NV S.169801

As Vice President of Operations and Strategic Growth, Monise is a power house of efficiency. Employing her diverse real estate pedigree, she identifies, develops, and implements multiple avenues of growth for Sierra Sotheby’s International Realty.

Providing a positive environment and technology-driven tools to promote expansion and retention, is her primary focus. With a keen eye and servant leadership, she empowers agents and staff alike to raise their bar of excellence through internal coaching, training, and initiatives.

Supporting recruiting efforts, Monise is always on the lookout for amazing talent in the region. She has an impeccable reputation for fostering result-oriented professionals through her open door policy and unshakable integrity.

Prior to joining Sierra Sotheby’s International Realty, Monise contributed 16 years with an internationally recognized luxury real estate company. From humble beginnings in 2005, she rose from Office Administrator to Relocation Director. Overseeing their global relocation program, she cultivated targeted international relationships — resulting in explosive growth and success.

Additionally, as Concierge Director, Monise developed and executed multiple corporate support systems including agent onboarding, luxury initiatives, recruitment, and agent skill sets. Understanding the importance of work life balance, she spearheaded corporate-wide mindfulness training and weekly meditation opportunities. With unsurpassed devotion, it’s no surprise she is frequently recognized for her determination, strength, and invaluable professional contributions.

Born in Michigan, Monise has called Northern Nevada home since 1989. With deep community roots, she proudly volunteers her time to the Professional Women’s Group and Dress for Success of Northern Nevada.

Residing in Reno, Monise is a proud mother of 3 children, plus 1 cat — who wishes to remain anonymous. A lover of adventure and spontaneity, this accomplished abstract artist is frequently creating her next masterpiece or enjoying new cuisines with family and friends.


Shane Norris

General Council

Shane joined the team in 2017 as General Counsel contributing his over 20 years of insight and experience on legal matters related to real estate transactions. With his prior role as Coldwell Banker/NRT’s Litigation Counsel as well as the General Counsel and President for a Utah title insurance company, Shane’s role gives our firm a significant advantage in its ever-growing presence as a top luxury real estate company.

Raised in Las Vegas where he obtained an undergraduate degree at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas, it wasn’t until he moved to Utah to attend the University of Utah, SJ Quinney College of Law, that he decided to establish roots. With a legal degree in hand, Shane went on to practice insurance defense and real estate litigation in the state of Utah. A penchant for teaching and self-inflicted academic rigors, Shane became a certified continuing education instructor with the Division of Real Estate. He now instructs on current legal issues relevant to the real estate licensee, in addition to offering continuing legal education classes specializing in real estate challenges

Legal matters and contributions aside, Shane’s favorite part of his General Counsel duties is building relationships and camaraderie with the real estate agents he serves, proving he does like to have fun outside of his work. Sports fandom is a necessary diversion from the serious day-to-day tasks and weighty advice. His fellow comrades have almost convinced Shane to branch out and become a fan of potentially more exciting sports (SEC football). It is rumored that he’s seen Guns n’ Roses in concert four times. Shane also has a family who helps balance his serious work with healthy doses of humor and adventure.


Heather Heuer

Senior Vice President, Operations

heather.heuer@sothebysrealty.com


Kim Taylor

Vice President, Relocation & Referral Services

Kim.Taylor@SothebysRealty.com

Kim Taylor is the Vice President of Relocation Services for LIV, Sierra, and Summit Sotheby's International Realty. Managing the relocation services for each company, Kim works closely with both local corporations and national relocation management companies. She oversees a six-person relocation department and a relocation specialist team of 125 agents, assisting corporate transferees and military families who are moving into or out of the states of Colorado, Utah, Nevada and California. Kim has specialized in relocation for nearly twenty years, both as a top producing REALTOR® and in the corporate relocation sector. Her professional background also includes financial experience as Regional Branch Manager for a Detroit area bank.

Kim holds both a Certified Relocation Professional (CRP) and Graduate REALTORS Institute® (GRI) designation, is a member of the National Association of REALTORS®, the Colorado and Michigan Association of REALTORS®, and the Denver Metro Association of REALTORS®. She is also an active member of the Relocation Directors Council, Denver Metro Chamber of Commerce, and Rocky Mountain Relocation Council. Kim graduated from the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor with a degree in marketing.

Prior to moving to Denver, Kim was a lifelong resident of Michigan and enjoyed all things water-related. Since that time, she has become a Colorado enthusiast, making frequent trips to the Rocky Mountains to bike, ski, hike and listen to live music – Red Rocks Amphitheatre is a favorite destination. She is still a passionate Michigan Wolverine football fan, but Kim has now become a Denver Broncos supporter, as well.


Anne Wulff

Vice President / Managing Broker, Incline Village

775.832.4900

awulff@sierrasothebysrealty.com

NV B.0145779

Anne Wulff got her start in real estate in 2004 as a sales associate before she transitioned to the operations side of the business in 2007. Her background as a licensee and a transaction manager has helped her develop meaningful relationships in the Incline Village/Crystal Bay real estate community while helping her manage and understand the needs of a growing real estate office. Anne was appointed the Director of Operations for Sierra Sotheby's International Realty in 2009 which played a key role in helping her to manage the systems and tools for the 10 offices that Sierra Sotheby's has located around the Lake Tahoe Basin. Her keen understanding of the real estate process, law and contracts was instrumental in her ability to provide support that agents and brokers need to thrive in a dynamic industry. Anne was recently promoted to Vice President and Managing Broker for the Incline Village office. ' I feel fortunate to be part of a company that values service and integrity and is willing to go the extra mile to provide their agents with the resources to succeed'. Anne graduated from Michigan State with a degree in business in 1992 and has been a Tahoe resident for over 25 years. Throughout her career Anne has consistently provided a high level of service, not only to her clients, but to her fellow agents and brokers as well.



Ellen Camacho

Vice President / Managing Broker, South Lake Tahoe

530.563.8750

ecamacho@sierrasothebysrealty.com

CA 00854830

NV BS.0145459

Ellen Camacho is the Managing Broker of Sierra Sotheby’s International Realty in South Lake Tahoe. Ellen is extremely knowledgeable, respected and highly involved in the real estate community. She carries the professional tone and positive character that Sierra Sotheby's International Realty values as a company. Ellen has served as the 2013 Secretary / Treasurer for the South Tahoe Board of Realtors, 2014 Vice President, 2015 President Elect, 2016 President of the Board and 2017 Past President. Additionally, she has been honored by the South Tahoe Association of Realtors with 2012 Rookie of the Year, the 2014 Community Service Award, 2015 Distinguished Realtor Award and was the 2016 Realtor of the Year. Camacho's resume is extended through active involvement with the California Association of Realtors.

'Serving as Director for CAR for the past four years has awarded me the opportunity to attend the three state conferences each year,' she explains. 'I serve on Membership and Forum on Forms for CAR and 2017 Vice Chair of Credentials. I also actively attended the National Association of Realtors conferences.' Ellen believes strongly in continuing education and the importance of staying on top of current trends. She holds the designations of Certified Residential Specialist (CRS), Graduate Real Estate Institute (GRI), Resort and Second-Home Property Specialist (RSPS), ePRO, and South Tahoe Area Residential Specialist (STAR). 'I strive to keep my clients informed throughout their real estate transaction and pride myself on being a full-time agent who can be reached day or night.'


Jamie Dewit

Truckee North Tahoe Regional Sales Manager

530.386.0381

jdewit@sierrasothebysrealty.com

CA 01953768

Licensed in both California and Nevada, Jamie Dewitbrings a high degree of contractual and legal knowledge to Sierra Sotheby’s International Realty where she serves as Director of Operations. Born in Incline Village, Jamie was lucky to have grown up on the North Shore of Lake Tahoe and Reno and finally Truckee where she currently resides. Prior to working in real estate, Jamie worked as a licensed insurance agent and sold commercial and residential insurance with a focus on construction risk management. Jamie is meticulous in her efforts to ensure that Sierra Sotheby’s International Realty transactions are executed to the highest standard of professionalism, diligence and integrity.

In her spare time, Jamie enjoys spending time with family and friends.She loves camping, paddle boarding, and snowboarding. She also enjoys drawing, painting and sculpting. Jamie is the perfect amalgamation of creativity and thorough diligence the Sotheby’s International Realty brand exemplifies.



Tunde Jarcik

Transaction Manager

775.384.6900

tjarcik@sierrasothebysrealty.com

NV S.0186105

Tunde is the Transaction Manager for the Sierra Sotheby’s International Realty offices. In this role she handles Nevada File Review and Compliance for the Sierra Sotheby's Nevada offices. Tunde works closely with the agents and NV Managing Brokers to ensure transaction related questions are resolved promptly and that local real estate licensing rules/regulations are adhered to.


Originally from Romania, Tunde has been a longtime resident of the Reno/Tahoe Area where she lives with her husband Jay and young son Sam. Tunde has been part of the SSIR family since 2012.


Rachel Carlson

Marketing Director

775.846.1154

rcarlson@sierrasothebysrealty.com


Sammy Akhtar

Graphic Designer

775.846.1154

sakhtar@sierrasothebysrealty.com

As corporate graphic designer, Sammy brings a fresh, youthful vibe to the entire marketing department. Her dedication to creating unique, impactful graphics transforms every project. Taking pride in turning a vision into reality is just one cornerstone of her career.


Earning her Bachelor of Arts degree with an emphasis in digital media from University of Nevada, Reno, Sammy brings her lifelong passion for drawing, sculpting, and painting to the creative table—going the extra mile with every design.


Known for its legendary commitment to excellence and global luxury representation for every client, Sierra Sotheby’s International Realty is proud to have Sammy as part of the family. Whether creating impressive marketing pieces to showcase luxury properties, compelling information for buyers, or regional statistics, she plays a vital role in the success of all digital and print campaigns. Thriving in a professional, friendly work atmosphere only adds to keeping Sammy’s creative juices flowing; allowing her to rapidly incorporate new technologies and graphic trends in today’s ever-changing real estate industry.


With deep roots, this third-generation Reno native enjoys large family celebrations and attending local festivals and concerts. In her spare time, you can find her sampling the region’s extensive culinary repertoire, focusing on Sushi—for now.


Near and dear to Sammy’s heart is a love for animals. With a hands-on background working with animal adoption, she aspires to incorporate four-legged fur babies into her life through volunteering.


So, what’s in the future for this bundle of creativity? Sammy is eager to contribute to Sierra Sotheby’s International Realty’s brand while exploring new methodologies to augment its global reach. With care, focus, and a touch of humor, she looks forward to making a positive contribution to every project.


Kathy Hyde

Office Administrator
South Lake Tahoe

530.494.7600

khyde@sierrasothebysrealty.com

Originally from South Florida, Kathy Hyde moved to Tahoe in 2014, and has fully embraced it as her home. With over 10 years of experience in different fields of customer support and office management, Kathy has the adeptness to provide the best service for the South Lake office. Always bubbly, she jumps on the opportunity to be a positive member of the team and a supportive component of Sierra Sotheby's. Her years of education have given her the passion of knowledge, and she prides herself to be a well-informed representative for the agents.

In her free time Kathy enjoys bike riding, painting the scenery, reading on the beach, or trying the newest restaurant in town.



Madison Crafts

Office Administrator
Reno

775.384.6900

mcrafts@sierrasothebysrealty.com

NV S.0184033 CA DRE 02166877

Madison Crafts wears many hats as Sierra Sotheby’s International Realty’s Office Administrator. As a former Hotel Auditor in the hotel/casino industry and Director of First Impressions at Keller Williams Realty, Madison brings a unique set of skills to the office when assisting her agents. With degrees in Science and Paralegal Studies and acquiring her own real estate license in 2018, she has a wealth of experience and education in addition to local industry knowledge. Her role in this company is a pivotal one as she finds herself working closely with agents by assisting them with marketing, follow-up, transactions, and any other issues or challenges that may arise. Working side-by-side with the managing broker, Madison is often tasked with keeping current agents happy and satisfied with the level of support they receive. With a noticeably direct leadership approach, she strives to make sure tasks are finished on time and with the utmost precision. Madison also likes to maintain a professional, clean, organized office space so that the agents can do their best work with one goal in mind, offering the best white glove service they can provide.

When she’s not at the office, Madison can be found tending to her 32 chickens, 14 turkeys, two dogs, one cat, two goats, and one rabbit. Beyond that, she belongs to a Subaru car club as an administrator and is the proud owner of 3 Subaru’s. In the evenings and weekends, it’s more likely than not that you’ll find her working in the garage or working on the farm.


Adam Cutunilli

Office Administrator

The Rock, Truckee

530.587.3505

acutunilli@sierrasothebysrealty.com

Having moved to the Reno-Tahoe area in 2017, Adam has become familiar with the area and takes pride in calling it his home. With prestigious levels of customer service and Real Estate support, he is the go to resource for our Truckee agents. Highly organized, with a knack for time management, Adam makes sure that projects are being completed efficiently from beginning to end. Adam understands the importance of first impressions, which is why he provides our agents with a clean and tidy office space. Adam hopes to follow in some of his leaderships’ footsteps and obtain his Real Estate license to further help his community.

Adam wears many hats here at Sierra Sotheby’s International Realty from office management to marketing, but the one he enjoys wearing the most is being a dog dad to Apricot and Winston. Outside of the office, you can find Adam hiking some of the Lake Tahoe trails, spending time with his husband, daydreaming about interio


Luke Nelson

Office Administrator

Downtown, Truckee

530.587.3500

lnelson@sierrasothebysrealty.com

Luke grew up in south-central Pennsylvania. After earning a degree from The Penn State University, Luke lived in Florence, Italy working in the tourism industry. After relocating to Tahoe City, CA, Luke began his professional career managing luxury short term rental properties. With a strong connection to the Tahoe geography and understanding of the real estate market, Luke joined Sierra Sotheby's International Realty as an OA working out of the Downtown Truckee office. Through Luke's style of work, you can experience his passion for the Tahoe lifestyle. Luke's hobbies include freestyle skiing, alpine touring, downhill mountain biking, open water swimming, cliff jumping, skateboarding, and venturing on medium to ultra long endeavors in the desolate regions of the Sierra Nevada mountain range. Luke is currently furthering his education with the goal of obtaining his California Real Estate license.


Sabrina Jedlowski

Office Administrator

Incline Village

775.832.4900

sjedlowski@sierrasothebysrealty.com

Originally from Troy, Michigan, Sabrina graduated from Michigan State University with a Bachelor of Arts in Marketing. A former corporate meeting and event manager for over a decade, Sabrina made the shift to real estate in 2012. In her tenure in the business, she has first and foremost strived to be someone in whom her clientele and colleagues can put their trust and faith. Her strong familiarity with multiple real estate brands and their respective values makes her an insightful strategic partner. Her career in corporate events has provided her with experience in curating excellent customer service moments, a skill that translated seamlessly into her real estate career. With a customer service-first mentality, she puts her expertise, tenacity, and love for helping the Incline Village agents at the forefront.

In her free time, Sabrina spends as much time as she can enjoying the Lake Tahoe lifestyle with her husband Rich, and their Shar Pei, Sparty



Lindsay Lyons

Transaction Coordinator

775.473.7400

llyons@sierrasothebysrealty.com

NV Lic #S.0183809

As part of the Sierra Sotheby's transaction coordination team, Lindsay works with agents from each of Sierra Sotheby's greater Tahoe-area offices to help make their transactions run smoothly. Her attention to detail, organizational skills, and love of real estate are the reasons she excels in this role.

Lindsay was raised in San Diego where she attended the University of San Diego. She has been living in Reno for over 5 years with her twin daughters, and loves the fresh air, mountain lifestyle, and accessibility to so many outdoor adventures. Being able to get out on hiking trails or on a lake with a paddle board are a couple of the reasons why she loves to call the Tahoe area her home.


Maya Jones

Transaction Coordinator

775.473.7400

mjones@sierrasothebysrealty.com

NV Lic. #S.0191040

Originally from Las Vegas, Maya Jones has called the Reno-Sparks area of Northern Nevada home for over 15 years. After falling in love with the region, Maya spent 10 years managing a local rare coin and collectibles store, where she gained many administrative, marketing, and technical skills and honed her eye for details. This coin shop is also where she first learned about Sotheby’s Auction House, and what it truly means to live a luxury lifestyle.

When the coin shop owners retired and closed shop in late 2016, Maya worked for landscaping company, where she worked as a department head in landscape construction and accounting. There, she became great friends with a REALTOR® who would ultimately bring her into the real estate industry as a licensed transaction coordinator. When the position at Sierra Sotheby’s opened up, she knew she could not pass up the opportunity to transfer her dedication and skillset to this innovative and prestigious company.

Outside of work, Maya enjoys numismatics, reading, and spending time with her husband Matt and their two children, Embry and Taeo.


Casey Higgins

Transaction Coordinator

775.473.7400

chiggins@sierrasothebysrealty.com

CA 02093720

NV Lic #S.0194866

Casey Higgins has always had a passion for real estate and brings experience, attention to detail, and determination to the Sierra Sotheby’s transaction coordination team. With a background in supporting top producing agents in the Lake Tahoe area, she has day-to-day experience in handling any challenge that may come her way. As a Nevada native and graduate of University of Nevada, Reno, Casey offers extensive area knowledge along with a deep-rooted love for the mountain lifestyle. When she isn’t helping Agents with their transactions she enjoys hikes with her dog and sunny days at the lake.